Impossible FM #009: The Real “1 Weird Trick” for Massive Fat Loss with Patrick Hitches (Hint: It’s Not What You Think)

Hey everybody welcome to Impossible FM the show where we talk about pushing your limits and doing the impossible in fitness, gritness, business, and life. I’m your host Joel Runyon, welcome to the show. Let’s get started!

Hey everybody! Welcome to Impossible FM. Today on the show I’ve got Patrick Hitches from myfoundationfitness.com. Patrick’s a writer, nutritionist, personal trainer, and even has his own gym out at Cincinnati, Ohio. Thanks for coming on the podcast today, Patrick.

PATRICK:
Not a problem at all, Joel. I’m glad to be here.

JOEL:
Awesome. So Patrick and I have known each other for the last 4 or 5 years. He was one of the first few people that commented on Impossible HQ I think. Way back in the day before I even really had any readers so he was one of those guys that kinda kept me going when I didn’t know if I was going to be building anything. But Patrick is one of the go-to guys that I go to when I talk about training, fitness, and nutrition just because he’s done so much himself. Tell everybody kind of, your story, your background, where you’re coming from from a nutritional and training background?

PATRICK:
Sure, man. I was kinda the fat kid. You know, way back in 6th grade, 7th grade. Being the chubby kid, I experienced the feeling of.. almost despair. About 7th grade I started training pretty hard and just running 2 miles, got a little the workout, a full body workout my dad put together for me. And I started moving weights literally 7th grade. Over the years, it’s been the one thing that kinda stuck. The consistent go-to thing that I could lean on is.. something that I love, enjoy doing. Just being active. All through high school I was kind of the workout guy that everyone just knew. The guy who is just always in the gym, loved it, out running two miles, doing sprints, moving weights. People ask me questions even though, looking back, well, I didn’t know anything, compared to today. It’s a constantly evolving process of knowledge. I end up going into college, studied nutrition science, exercise. I learned a lot of the traditional stuff in the dietitian world that I don’t even believe anymore in traditional school. Over the years it’s been a constant evolution of training in the bodybuilding circuit. I have competed a couple of times, moving into Olympic weightlifting and now just more on the instinctual… instinctive type training I guess. It’s been a fun ride and I have been doing the full-time fitness nutrition coaching, training clients, building the business I guess for about 5 years or so? Maybe. Something like that. Full-time. Always doing somewhat part-time over the years before that so I guess I’ve been in the fitness industry 10 years or so.

JOEL:
You did some fitness competitions too, right?

PATRICK:
I did, yeah. I competed twice. Got that out of my system, I think for some reason wanted to put the Speedo on and flex my muscles a couple of times. After the second one I threw those away and said I have had enough of that. It was brittle on the body. Definitely not something I encourage to people. It’s an OK route to go. It’s definitely all-consuming for sure. You know, that becomes your entire life. And actually a lot of the dieting strategies going into that, like, I don’t believe in at all at this point. It’s stuff that I did in the past, 3-4 years back, but I take a very different approach these days just with the constant exposure of new research, different ways to go about it… and more of a hormonal shift in the body to generate results.

JOEL:
Yeah. I wanna get into some… sort of of those evolved viewpoints. But first I wanted to.. you kind of had this evolution of… okay I’ve got these standard nutritional stuff they’re gonna teach you in college. And then you kind of started experimenting on your own and then you’ve introduced me to a lot of stuff that John Keifer is doing at body.io. Some sort of this bleeding edge research on nutrition and like, okay, you taught this. Every mainstream nutrition area teaches this specific.. you know, this is how your body handles food and nutrition. And then you find some of these people on the edge that are doing a lot of self-experimentation, trying things on their own, really digging into what the science and the research says, and they’re saying it’s something completely different. And you recently had a really really cool transformation story that kind of bucked most traditional nutrition theory, I would say.

PATRICK:
Yep.

JOEL:
And I know the story behind that was, okay, the balance you take is work hard, lift hard, play hard. You posted something like that the other day.

PATRICK:
Yep. Pretty much.

JOEL:
And I like that because it’s a pretty good balance of… you know, lifting hard, having fun, and then you know, enjoying your life. At some point, for you, that had shifted a little bit more than you like to the play hard. You kinda wanna share a little bit of that then we’ll talk about your transformation and how ridiculous it was?

PATRICK:
Sure. Yep. Just going back to the traditional philosophies and educational side of things. It’s very government policy-based and most of it is pretty much backwards in terms of eating lots of whole wheat, make sure your breakfast is carb-loaded. And now I think that’s becoming more… people are becoming more aware that’s kinda farce. It’s still surprising me how much under the radar it is. And that it’s just completely wrong. Most of the time when I get people the information, what they need to be doing.. it’s ends up being the complete opposite of what they are doing. While they think they’re eating healthy, and that’s the unfortunate reality.

JOEL:
The problem right there is the fact that eating healthy is such an ambiguous term that some people can be like, oh I packed way more grains in my food. And you’re like, you’re trying to make your way towards body composition goals. That’s probably not the answer.

PATRICK:
Right. Exactly, exactly. You mentioned John Keifer of body.io. Guys like him and Robb Wolf and Mark’s Daily Apple, they’re just nose-deep in their research, they’re balls-out, they’re just in it. And they’re exposing all this great information for everyone to see and listen to and hear and I guess guys like myself and like you.. We are absorbing it and sharing it with our circles and it’s very eye-opening. And when you experience the shift with yourself as well as what your clients and the people that you’re working with. Really the life-altering experience that happens because you’re not having the energy spikes up and down, the clear-headed mindset, the stress reduction. Just the whole nine yards when you make these legitimate shifts that actually are a lot easier for sustainability when you have a… when you completely wipe breakfast out of the picture and even more of an intermittent fast. We’ll go to the strategies in a minute but just when you adopt these, right now seem like unorthodox approaches, which I think in the next couple of years, they should be pretty much just widely accepted.

JOEL:
You might be overestimating how fast the public can get strategies. Hopefully in the next couple of years… That would be pretty awesome.

PATRICK:
Well as long as you body building community out there, it would probably take a lot older. The whole 6 meals a day, and carb back-loading and low fat mentality. It’s still out there, but it’s dying, hopefully.

JOEL:
But it’s funny to see some of the stuff because it is like completely the opposite of everything that’s taught about there and people… I see a lot of people that just end up getting frustrated because they’re trying really really really really really hard and they’re doing what’s supposed to be healthy, but it’s like man, I see what you’re trying to do and that is like the exact opposite for what you’re trying to get yourself to, so.

PATRICK:
Right.

JOEL:
But personally, for you, you had this kind of shift where you’re working hard, playing hard, you started playing a little bit more, going out, having a little too much fun, getting a little bit away from where you ideally wanted to be. So you decide, okay, I know exactly what I need to do, and I know exactly what switches I need to turn on, and you had some pretty amazing results with that, didn’t you.

PATRICK:
Yeah, well, it’s funny you say it that way. It’s actually a little bit different than that, it was… I think I was working too hard. I was training a lot. And you know, long training sessions, like 2 hour training sessions. I’m surrounded by other fitness professionals and we’re just always around the weights and sometimes you forget.. Did I take a rest day yesterday? I think I can still, you know, do a push day today. What do I have left of my body that I can exhaust, right? So, we end up overtraining, you know. I very much extended myself in a lot of different areas. Training clients early in the morning, 6AM until 9PM at night, and everything in the middle was filled with my online work and nutrition clients and writing articles, you know, whatever. The whole day was just filled and then on the weekends… I opened up a training compound in Cincinnati while living in DC so now I’m multi-hub living, travelling to Cincinnati every weekend, sometimes, just depending on how I often I need to be in town. I just completely overextended myself on every angle possible and that included training for a marathon in 1 month, in 27 days, which was super cool that I could accomplish it, but I never took that time to kind of decompress from that. I went straight into training for an Olympic weightlifting competition. We’re doing two days, weightlifting. And right from there, we parlayed into a bodybuilding show. So in the bodybuilding shows I dropped from 18% body fat to 3.5% body fat in 12 weeks. It was more of the nutritional route. This is a couple of years backlog when this all kinda started. At that point it was just like my body was a complete wreck. The body fat accumulation started to happen a little bit and while I knew what to do, I was so extended with the project of creating the business that I was just exhausted all the time. I wake up and I didn’t feel refreshed and energized. I’d be waking up at 5:30 in the morning just completely and utterly just dead and feeling like, how the hell am I gonna get out of this and like looking at my day, just feeling like.. daunting. How am I gonna tackle today when I’ve got so much stuff to do.. and it was endless. And to feel that way.. I was irritable, and I was.. probably it was slight depression. Just exhausted. By the time Friday night would roll around I would just wanna crash and didn’t really want to go on social lives. It’s the complete opposite of me. I love to talk to people and meet people and have a good time, so it just got to a breaking point. This lasted for a while and then I started doing a lot of research on, you know, like what’s going on? Why am I so tired? How do I pull out of this? And just really started to discover, just like an… adrenal fatigue situation. My stress was just so far outside the range of what a human body should endure, and really the turning point.. it sounds so ridiculous to say this but the turning point was, I guess a it was few months ago by now, as of today. My 3-day a week, 6:00 AM client, he moved to Switzerland. And then my other 2-day a week 6:00 AM client, I just pushed her up somebody else so I could protect that sleep. So once I got that extra hour sleep, it completely shifted everything. Also I started making the perfect decisions in terms of nutrition. I started having more energy to do a little more conditioning. I scaled back the weights completely. I almost cut weights out. I didn’t completely cut weights out, but I was training maybe 2 days a week and was not anything at all that I would ever consider a workout in the past. It was pretty much just the movement and getting some blood flow and resistance and maintaining some sort of strength base. And then I coupled it with some yoga. And yoga, I adopted and I just immediately loved. I had been doing that ever since, anywhere from 2 to 5 days a week. But really just trying to reduce stress as much as possible and socialize more. Just feeling good. But once you get into that kind of blissful state of happiness, and everything’s functioning properly — yeah, it’s a really good place to be, your head’s clear, your time slows down a little bit. Conversations mean more and just every single aspect of your life becomes meaningful, right. So once that shift started to happen, I went from… looking at the numbers I was 218 – 220 pounds roughly.. somewhere around that.. to pushing high 18% body fat range. I started dropping 5 pounds a week. Not counting the calories, I’m still eating carbs every night. Like staging my meals the way I know should be. Slight intermittent fast in the morning, big salad with some fats and proteins at lunch, and some sort of like pre-workout, you know maybe like a green tea before yoga or if I’m training with weights, and then following that up with some fruits and a nice lean protein and then transition into some sushi or sweet potatoes, grass-fed beef, stuff like that. So always having carbs at night and really enjoying the foods that I’m eating, but not counting the thing, really just instinctively picking out the foods on a daily basis not as single meal has ever been prepped in this process.

JOEL:
Oh, so you dropped meal prep entirely?

PATRICK:
Completely dropped meal prep.

JOEL:
Wow. Okay.

PATRICK:
That’s actually been a big shift. I know meal prep is preached in the fitness industry and I get it. But at this point when I’m doing… tracking my stress levels with HRV, so every morning HRV’s heart rate variability, putting on the chest, heart rate monitor, sync it up to my app, I use the Bulletproof App to monitor that and make sure I’m good to go. And if I am, I can increase my activity that day. And if I do, I kind of change the types of foods that I eat. I’ll hit the grocery store once or twice a day, depending, and pick out the foods that I need to nourish my body for the activity of that day. But I don’t really have a set plan of activities because I’m just listening to my body every single day going to into it. Its proven to be the most effective strategy I have ever done, but it’s in the context of having the knowledge that I know from the experience of the past 10 years, right, or 15 years or whatever. And at this point I literally can’t keep body fat on. I don’t know when it’s gonna stop. It’s still happening. The last time I measured I was 6% and I’m probably 5% body fat, and Joel I’m telling you, I eat pretty much like… I eat fro-yo. I think I had it 3 nights last week, and you a nice big grass-fed burger. I eat out, I had sushi a couple of nights ago, like big old plates of it. Drinking some glasses of wine. I’m eating a lot of food and I can’t keep the body fat on my body just because… I’ve aligned the hormonal profile and just completely let go of any stress in my life in a proactive way through yoga and some meditation and just instinctively doing things and not stressing myself about what is the number on the scale, what’s going on, what are my calories today, just completely letting go of all of it.

JOEL:
When I read this post. Because you just posted it about a month ago or so. It actually sort of re-shifted the way I was thinking about a lot of stuff, because the nutritional stuff hasn’t been a issue for me, I feel like the last couple of years I sort of rewired my brain and how I completely look at nutrition. but the other factors of stress that you talked about… And this is something… it was almost a badge of honor for me. I was like, oh, I don’t need sleep. I just blow it off or whatever. And then like keep working,even if you don’t think. Even if you’re like, it’s probably time to knock off and just go home or whatever. I was just like, well, I’ve got work to do. It’s almost like a badge of honor, to be like, oh i’ll just be working until I’m completely exhausted and I’ve got nothing left. And actually this post, shifted these last 3 weeks, the way that I’ve been treating myself, because I started just.. okay, when you need to get sleep, you need to prioritize sleep more in your life first of all, and just get it in there in general. And I’ve been doing yoga classes and a few other things and I’m terrible at yoga. It’s actually funny how bad I am at yoga, but just doing those things where you’re spending time not just on.. okay I’m trying to get stronger, I’m trying to get faster, but also you’re also spending just as much time on actively recovering, whether that’s through, even something just as spending 30 minutes foam rolling or you know, sleeping more, doing yoga, getting a sports massage, or whatever that is. Just being proactive about taking care of yourself. I’m so go-go-go that it’s hard for me to pull back on that and it’s amazing how much better you can feel. You can feel tired still, but you feel like a good tired. It’s not “I’m exhausted and I’ve got nothing left” tired. That was a big shift and I got a lot out of that post. The photos themselves are kind of… they speak for themselves. I’ll have a link to the post we’re mentioning and we’ll have Patrick’s before and afters in that too. If you said it’s still going on, it’s gonna be nuts to see where you’ll end up at.

PATRICK:
Right. Exactly. I have no idea when it’s gonna stop. I mean, if I’m 4%, I’m like basically stage right for a body building show.

JOEL:
Bust those Speedos back out.

PATRICK:
Without any effort! Yeah to get the thong back out, hop on stage with zero effort. Not a lick of low intensity cardio and not a single meal was prepped.

JOEL:
The meal prep is interesting and I wanna dive into this a little bit. The other thing that you have to take into account, the thing about your journey here is that you have 10 years of fitness and nutrition background here. You’ve gone through this evolution of.. okay this, I started out with this, it kinda worked. I found this, it worked a little bit better. This worked better.. and you’re sort of optimizing the process up to the point where you are now. Versus a lot of people starting out, they say, hey I wanna do.. I’m just gonna go on with the plan, I don’t necessarily need meal prep because Patrick said I don’t need meal prep, I’m just gonna listen to my body. You’ve got enough knowledge and experience to kind of know what your body is saying to you, versus if someone’s just starting out, a lot of times it’s hard to really know when you’re body’s telling you things, and what it means. I think that’s really really awesome as far as not doing meal prep but there’s a certain point you have to get to in order to be like… it’s sort of like you have to know the rules in order to break the rules.

PATRICK:
Exactly.

JOEL:
You have to learn all the rules first, then once you learn all the rules, they don’t matter anymore and you can make up your own because you can kinda formulate your own path when it works for you.

PATRICK:
Right. Right. Totally. And also, you’ve got to think about the lifestyle of the individual. For me, you know, I work for myself, I have my own business, so I’m able to stage my day any way that I want. If you work for The Man and you’re in a cubicle, you can’t actually leave. You’re gonna have to bring your food or make sure the flow of your day is so that you could go somewhere and get a salad at Whole Foods or wherever you get your food. Think about your specific life and what you need to do, if you need a meal prep, you know. A good note that you could have all your calories in one sitting, if you really wanted to you might not feel the greatest in terms of performance but you know, having… relinquishing yourself of that feeling that you need to eat so many times throughout the day and just know that as long as I have a lunch, I’ve got a dinner, maybe 3 meals is right. Maybe 2 meals. Maybe 4. It kinda gives you a little more flexibility and I think intermittent fasting is a tool to utilize if you want to. Not feel pressure like you have to get your calories in at that particular moment. I think that kind of really leverages you out of that necessity to have to have a meal with you everywhere you go. But just, you know, have kinda have your day-to-day kind of lined up where you know where food is in the flow of your day. If you need to get fresh produce and grab this and grab that, and options. You go to options.

JOEL:
So let’s make this really really practical for people. Let’s give them like a breakdown of like a typical day. You kinda went through what you eat throughout the day a little bit. For somebody just starting out, taking a look at what you’re doing. Obviously, like I said, I’ll link to the full post. People can check it out. It’s really worth your time. It’s 3,000 words. It’s kinda in-depth but it’s probably better than any nutrition textbook you’re gonna get out there right now. So if somebody wants to practically implement these steps in their day-to-day life, what is the typical day schedule look like for that person.

PATRICK:
Just to kinda go through my day throughout this process and what has worked for me. Might not work for everybody, but I think it’s kind of a first… starting approach.

JOEL:
A framework or so.

PATRICK:
Yeah, totally. Wake up in the morning. Decompress, kinda lay there, check your heart rate variability. See where your stress levels are. I would ride my bike to the coffee shop, get a nice fresh, local coffee, black. Actually an Americano. Get a little caffeine in the mix and then from there, do a little conditioning. If I have a client or a couple of clients or a few clients in the morning, maybe do a little Tabata. A 4-minute Tabata. A quick little circuit just to get some sort of a movement within that first hour or two of waking if possible. Or if I wanna do a full-out sprint at the park, I might do that mid-morning. That could be an hour or two or three after I have my coffee. Get outside and I actually consciously think about getting Vitamin D as I ride to the park I should take my shirt of and soak up at least 30 minutes of sunshine by being outside and getting around D.C. on my bike and then come back and usually we’re pushing around the lunch timeframe. Pop into Whole Foods and literally build a salad of foods that, when I look at it, I feel like I need to eat that. And I’m being 100% serious. This is the first time I’ve ever done this in my life and it’s been really an eye-opener for me. I don’t even know if anybody is talking about this but it’s been really the biggest shift and your body really does speak to you if you are in tune with it. And I literally walk to… my eyes are just drawn toward specific vegetables.

JOEL:
I’ve had that happen with like.. from really really need carbohydrates. It’s like, I need a sweet potato. I need that. You’re gravitated towards it. It’s funny you say that because I’ve internalized that a little bit and.. walking down the street whatever, and saying, I need that. But I haven’t heard anybody talk about it like, “Yeah, just build a salad of what you think your body needs.”

PATRICK:
Yeah, exactly. And there’s a few things that I kinda keep standard to make it taste good. Like I’ll definitely put some lemon juice on it and some kale dressing which is an olive oil base. Some sunflower seeds, you know a little crunch in there. But it’s usually it’s like a kale, maybe some beets, cucumbers, tomatoes, olives, grilled chicken or maybe some sort of fatty meat that’s in the hot bar but I make sure it’s not canola-based like cooked in canola. And that, you know, just literally just pick out things that look amazing and that I feel like my body needs right there. It’s incredible that your body can do that if you actually listen to it. Yeah, and on a daily basis I actually follow that on every single meal. The shift that happened.. a few times I actually reached out to a food that I hadn’t even.. I hadn’t touched in like a month. And next couple of days I was reading something about just how that food impacts your body and I realized, holy ____, I actually need that because of this. It’s really wild. So now I’ve got my salad–

JOEL:
So to make that easier, if somebody can’t necessarily listen to their body right off the bad. Most of this food we’re talking about fit within the Paleo framework. If you guys are struggling, well okay, maybe I’m at the point where I can look at a food and buy it… I need that. If you stick to meats, vegetables, fruits, you’re gonna be pretty solid for that middle of the day right there.

PATRICK:
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely all of it falls within an approved list of food. Pick it out like a bag of chips.

JOEL:
I really need that gallon of ice cream.

PATRICK:
It’s gonna be all vegetables and meats and fats during that lunch period and then in the afternoon, move into… whatever I’m doing, training clients or work and online work, whatever’s happening, and then either train in the afternoon or do yoga. And then everything after that is when I shift towards carbs and now I’m going into my fruit.. you know because fruit is only stored in the liver so I ensure my liver glycogen is down and front load all the fruit always. Fruit and protein, some sort of protein. And whether if I do resistance training I might do away. I slip. I’m not crazy about protein shakes but, you know, I prefer whole foods. I might do an egg-white based to get the protein up without the fat. So now I start cutting the fat out. The fat drops out and I increase the carbohydrates in the evening and then I transition into either sushi or a sweet potato and some more meat and that could be a grass-fed beef or more chicken, or whatever. Tuna. Whatever feels right. When I’m picking that fruit out, again it’s like after I come from the yoga studio, I pop in and literally like handpick fruits. It all changes, whether its berries or mango or bananas, peach. Sometimes I do a combination of all of it and again, same thing. Whatever your body’s telling you to eat.

JOEL:
It’s cool when you get to the point where you’re out. It takes a while, you know. It’s not like you just woke up one day and boom, I’ve got it. It’s taken you 10 years to get there but it’s cool to see that this fitness nutrition thing doesn’t have to be ridiculous. It doesn’t have to be all over the place where you’re like okay, I gotta follow my macros down to a T. You can literally walk into a store sometimes and be like, that food… I need that. I don’t necessarily know why but I could trust my body, I know myself well enough that I need that. I need that. I can eat these foods that are delicious, they taste great, but they’re also making you feel good, they’re making you perform well, and all of a sudden you can’t keep that body fat on. And through that entire process, you know, just in case people think we’re making up stuff. You lost what? 30 pounds in 8 weeks.

PATRICK:
8 weeks. Actually, I say 8 weeks, but actually it’s really probably close to 6. The last 2 pounds were the last 2 weeks. I was getting from 7-8% body fat down to 6. The weight lost kinda plateaued around 188-190 and I was coming down from 220. It’s like a month and a half. I’ve been in the health and fitness industry, in the nutrition side of things for years. And I’ve never seen body fat fall off of a human so quickly ever. This is just happening in front of my eyes. What the hell is going on here. It was just really a constant focus on stress management. That’s all what it was. Make sure my stress levels are down and the reason I started to think about eating because I didn’t want to stress anything about my food. So I followed a specific Paleo framework with a slight intermittent fasting, and then back loading on my carbs in the evening. It’s stuff that I know is appropriate anyways, but just not worrying about if I’m getting enough protein, if I’m eating the right stuff, sorry about that. Like what is really happening is just making sure that I am decompressing on every way possible and in turn it just ended up being the most effective way to lose body fat that I’ve ever seen happen.

JOEL:
I’m completely sold on it. It’s something– I think we started talking about sort of the hormonal aspect of weight loss probably 2 and a half years ago we talked about some of Keifer’s work, researching, looking at it. It’s just been really really interesting. Because I’ve done it a couple of times as far as gaining weight, because it’s actually an effective way to create this sort of lean body mass. But the stress management part that you kind of brought in from your story was something that I didn’t necessarily think was an issue until kinda like I saw myself in your story. Oh, crap, I’m just pushing myself, working all the time. You could be working all the time and not be effective. And it’s kinda fun when you say, hey I can, you know pull my foot off the gas, relax a little bit, focus on recovery, and still be more effective than I was before and feel better, look better, everything’s better.

PATRICK:
Everything. Your whole life is better. And all of a sudden you achieve the results that you wanted to achieve the first place just doing a lot less.

JOEL:
Yeah, now that’s awesome. Yeah man. As far as everything else is going on with you. You’ve got myfoundationfitness, you’ve got the Foundation Fitness Gym in Cincinnati. You’ve got a new podcast as well.

PATRICK:
Yes. We’ve got the Carboholic podcast with my cohost Erin Stimac. We pretty much talk about all of the stuff we’re talking about here, you know, proper training, nutrition and just all the different aspects of life that come into play while creating a great life. A great healthy life that you enjoy. Wake up and wanna dominate.

JOEL:
Yeah, that’s awesome. So myfoundationfitness.com. That’s the best place, right?

PATRICK:
That’s the best place. That’s the home of..

JOEL:
The home of everything.

PATRICK:
Yeah. Everything.

JOEL:
And then you guys just started a co-working space out of the gym as well.

PATRICK:
We did. This is very recent. In the past couple of weeks I was talking to a good buddy of mine in Cincinnati and he was saying there’s no co-working spaces in downtown Cincinnati, and I told him like..well I have — my training compound is 5,000 square feet. The back 3,000 is all the training space. The front 2,000 wide open. I’ve been meaning to implement some sort of workspace for myself. So I told him, like let’s create a co-working space where we bring in people that want to be active while surrounding themselves with other like-minded individuals. Really the concept is being active and healthy helps to create productivity, creativity, and innovation. It helps everything you’re doing in your life, with your work, whether you own your own business or you know you work for a company and need an alternative workspace, you know if you work from home or whatever. It’s not a quiet space. It’s meant to be active and if you want to know push the side of the turf for 15 minutes, grab a shower and come back to your laptop and hop on a treadmill, desk, you’re good to go. It’s pretty cool. That’s a MOVEcoworking.com that in Cincinnati, Ohio.

JOEL:
Yeah so if you guys are out in Cincinnati, Ohio, check out what Patrick’s up to. He’s got some cool spaces over there and it’s definitely worth checking out if you wanna either be co-working or just throw some weight around and get after it. So, sweet man! Well thanks for coming on the podcast and hopefully we’ll do it again soon.

PATRICK:
I like it. Thanks for having me Joel.

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